anybody wish to discuss who they're voting for and why? i have no idea at this point.

You know, it sucks that during the debates the one who I liked the most was the one who spoke with the most passion, Ron Paul.  He'll never get it, though.  Im a registered Republican, so out of the four I'm probably going to go with McCain.  He has the most experience, but then again he's not experienced in the executive branch.  Huckabees too religous and closed minded, Giuliani seems to truly back himself on just 9/11 and Romney; although a brilliant businessman and an all around good person does seem to want to be President, just to be President. 

I'm not fully impressed with any of the candidates who have a chance.

I was impressed with Obama getting votes. 

Lets be honest here.  The President who will do the best job cleaning up what happened, even though I dont HATE Bush, would be Hillary.  Her hubby, ehemm, Political Partner whose already been there for 8 years would be the best adjusted to take control.  I hate the Clintons, though..

 

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Thanks for the sweet thread Sludge.

Not that it matters at all because this entire election process is nothing but an illusion but I'm voting for Barrack Obama.

I like Dennis K the most but he's a goner.

I also like Edwards because not only does he walk the walk but he also beats every single Republican in the general election but he's also dead in the water.

This is why he won't win the primary.

The main reason why I'm voting for barrack Obama is because I know people on the inside in DC and they all hate Obama. I know lobbyist and they all hate him. I know people who work as execs in healthcare and they hate him to.

If the set in stone establishment (that I hate) hates Obama then that means they fear him and when they fear him I love him.

Like I said before It wont matter at all because this is as rigged as pro wrestling.

I know some here wanted to laugh at me after my "prediction" didn't look so good after Iowa but look what has happened since.

The entire media is telling everyone over and over that Gulliani is running out of money which is basically a free ad asking people to send Gulkliani money.

Liberal media?

 None of the bickering between Republican candidates is on the news but fictional bickering about race is all over the news in regards to Obama and Clinton.

Liberal media?

The corporations used Obama to marginalize Edwards (who they fear the most) now that edwards is all but dead the big media fenzy changes and all of that great press Obama got will be a distant memory.

Once Clinton takes down Obama then she'll lose to Gulliani, Romney or maybe even McCain.

McCain is hated by the RNC but they'll tolerate him for 4 years because they distance themselves enough from him that his 4 bad years wont damage their voting base. All they have to do is claim"we was never one of us" sort of like the RNC is doing now with GW Bush.

Huckabee has no chance because he's actually a REAL authentic Christian and not a guy who acts like a Christian. This worries way way too many people in DC. They like having a guy like Bush who will get on TV and say "the Earth is only 5000 years old" with a straight face but they don't want a guy who actually believes the Earth is only 5000 years old.

God forbid Huckabee decides to start feeding people or worrying about Planet Earth.

I'm sure Jesus would be p*ssed off that someone actually emulated his deeds of kindness towards humanity.  *****rolling eyes*****

I hope the conservatives out there remember vividly for the rest of your life what Fox Noise did to Ron Paul.

I also hope liberals out there remember forever what GE/NBC did to Dennis K last night.

Liberal media?

GE is who O'Reilly says in connected to Bin Laden. If so then why did they not want Dennis K on TV debating? Dennis K is the most liberal of them all and from past right wing lies Osama loves liberals.  *****more eye rolling*******

When the Supreme Court gets involved in who is allowed to debate on TV or not and they decide "NO" then we all need to seriously think about whether or not we live in a free society any longer.

How many signs to we need that democracy is all but gone before we finally react?

How many networks covered the story on Dennis K not being allowed to debate last night?

How many networks talked about only 20% of the votes being counted in New Hampshire?

How many networks covered that Ron Paul and Dennis K both filed suits this week for a recount in New Hampshire?

How many networks mentioned that Ron Paul wasn't allowed onto the Fox Noise debate in New Hampshire? Paul finished 4th and wasn't allowed to debate and Gulliani finished 6th and WAS allowed to debate.

The US media is our worst enemy. They have blurred the lines between truth and fiction so much that most people now tune out which is exactly what happens when every free society turns to fascism.

We are on our way folks.

I could go on forever but I'm on my way home.

take care

 

 

 

 

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Those that give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Ben Franklin

TheREALkiller206:

Thanks for the sweet thread Sludge.

Not that it matters at all because this entire election process is nothing but an illusion but I'm voting for Barrack Obama.

I like Dennis K the most but he's a goner.

I also like Edwards because not only does he walk the walk but he also beats every single Republican in the general election but he's also dead in the water.

This is why he won't win the primary.

The main reason why I'm voting for barrack Obama is because I know people on the inside in DC and they all hate Obama. I know lobbyist and they all hate him. I know people who work as execs in healthcare and they hate him to.

If the set in stone establishment (that I hate) hates Obama then that means they fear him and when they fear him I love him.

Like I said before It wont matter at all because this is as rigged as pro wrestling.

I know some here wanted to laugh at me after my "prediction" didn't look so good after Iowa but look what has happened since.

The entire media is telling everyone over and over that Gulliani is running out of money which is basically a free ad asking people to send Gulkliani money.

Liberal media?

 None of the bickering between Republican candidates is on the news but fictional bickering about race is all over the news in regards to Obama and Clinton.

Liberal media?

The corporations used Obama to marginalize Edwards (who they fear the most) now that edwards is all but dead the big media fenzy changes and all of that great press Obama got will be a distant memory.

Once Clinton takes down Obama then she'll lose to Gulliani, Romney or maybe even McCain.

McCain is hated by the RNC but they'll tolerate him for 4 years because they distance themselves enough from him that his 4 bad years wont damage their voting base. All they have to do is claim"we was never one of us" sort of like the RNC is doing now with GW Bush.

Huckabee has no chance because he's actually a REAL authentic Christian and not a guy who acts like a Christian. This worries way way too many people in DC. They like having a guy like Bush who will get on TV and say "the Earth is only 5000 years old" with a straight face but they don't want a guy who actually believes the Earth is only 5000 years old.

God forbid Huckabee decides to start feeding people or worrying about Planet Earth.

I'm sure Jesus would be p*ssed off that someone actually emulated his deeds of kindness towards humanity.  *****rolling eyes*****

I hope the conservatives out there remember vividly for the rest of your life what Fox Noise did to Ron Paul.

I also hope liberals out there remember forever what GE/NBC did to Dennis K last night.

Liberal media?

GE is who O'Reilly says in connected to Bin Laden. If so then why did they not want Dennis K on TV debating? Dennis K is the most liberal of them all and from past right wing lies Osama loves liberals.  *****more eye rolling*******

When the Supreme Court gets involved in who is allowed to debate on TV or not and they decide "NO" then we all need to seriously think about whether or not we live in a free society any longer.

How many signs to we need that democracy is all but gone before we finally react?

How many networks covered the story on Dennis K not being allowed to debate last night?

How many networks talked about only 20% of the votes being counted in New Hampshire?

How many networks covered that Ron Paul and Dennis K both filed suits this week for a recount in New Hampshire?

How many networks mentioned that Ron Paul wasn't allowed onto the Fox Noise debate in New Hampshire? Paul finished 4th and wasn't allowed to debate and Gulliani finished 6th and WAS allowed to debate.

The US media is our worst enemy. They have blurred the lines between truth and fiction so much that most people now tune out which is exactly what happens when every free society turns to fascism.

We are on our way folks.

I could go on forever but I'm on my way home.

take care

 

 

 

 

Hey, killer...... did you answer the question?

 

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"We want to celebrate what we did and the memory of our friend." ~ Jerry Cantrell

^ I was so close to ending my post with,

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Primary elections don't make sense.  Michigan screwed up and who knows if we get any delegates anyway?  I had to declare which of the two parties that I was voting for.  Then, they asked me if the number of the ballot was the same as what was on their paperwork.  After all this I had to mark uncommitted on the ballot to offer my support for Barak Obama.  I see character and intelligence in Obama.  Edwards and Clinton seem like marionettes, fake and complete with political strings attached. 

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Are you like me, confused

okay here's what i think. keep in mind that i'm not too big into politics so take what i say with a grain of salt.

first of all i think for the most part the primarys exist mainly to weed out all of the genuine candidates. all of the sincere politicians who haven't sold out to one of these big, evil corporations get knocked out early. then were left with two candidates who sold their soul to become president, and now we have to pick the lesser of two evils. with that said i think this year could be an exception. i think i really like obama and he definately has a fighting chance. i like edwards but we all know he doesn't have a chance. honestly i'm not very confident that he would make the best president.

i also like huckabee and ron paul. they just really seem like two genuine guys. from what i've seen and heard from them they're pretty consistent.

anyways i have a few months to figure it out so we'll see. i do agree with killer when he says that the media really makes sure that they get their guy. they give you all the reasons you need to vote for their guy. i don't know if all of the media outlets are trying to get mccain, romney, like killer says, but thier definately giving us a slanted view of the candidates.

that's how i feel but what do i know.

 

okay here's what i think. keep in mind that i'm not too big into politics so take what i say with a grain of salt.

first of all i think for the most part the primarys exist mainly to weed out all of the genuine candidates. all of the sincere politicians who haven't sold out to one of these big, evil corporations get knocked out early. then were left with two candidates who sold their soul to become president, and now we have to pick the lesser of two evils. with that said i think this year could be an exception. i think i really like obama and he definately has a fighting chance. i like edwards but we all know he doesn't have a chance. honestly i'm not very confident that he would make the best president.

i also like huckabee and ron paul. they just really seem like two genuine guys. from what i've seen and heard from them they're pretty consistent.

anyways i have a few months to figure it out so we'll see. i do agree with killer when he says that the media really makes sure that they get their guy. they give you all the reasons you need to vote for their guy. i don't know if all of the media outlets are trying to get mccain, romney, like killer says, but thier definately giving us a slanted view of the candidates.

that's how i feel but what do i know.

 

MANdirtEXCUSES:

You know, it sucks that during the debates the one who I liked the most was the one who spoke with the most passion, Ron Paul.  He'll never get it, though. 

Sadly, you are correct. Ron Paul has zero chance of winning.

Ron Paul, while I disagree with him on many issues is a guy who if elected would shake up the entire Government and the evil machine it's become which is exactly what we need right now.

We need to get the control away from the corporations and we also need to get political hacks out of the controller positions within the media.

I don't care if a person is left or right, dem or republican you cannot tell me you feel "informed" by the US media.

Even if you are a staunch right winger you can't tell me you trust Fox News to give you "fair and balanced" coverage of anything.

If you actually look up the word "liberal" the most liberal network is in fact Fox News who brags more than any that they aren't liberal.

They are liberal with their selection of stories and more importantly they are liberal with the truth.

The reason I went back to this topic is because it's vitally important for everyone to understand how our media selects what stories to run on what candidates and this causes the public to switch candidates and this specific case was one where a Republican got screwed by the corporate machine that is in charge.  

Ron Paul got screwed not only by Murdoch by also by the entire media machine.

 Think about it. Ron Paul has money and the most loyal supporters of any candidate. He finished 4th in Iowa which was nothing short of a miracle. His momentum was exactly where he hoped it would be going into New Hampshire and the corporate machine pulled the rug right out from under him and killed his chances.

They did this not only to Ron Paul but also Edwards, Biden, Dennis K, Bill Richardson and Chris Dodd.

Some think Thompson is part of this group that got screwed but he's not of the same cut as the others. This is a lazy guy who hasn't put much energy into this at all. He thought everyone would love him and he wouldn't have to do much work and he was wrong.

 Im a registered Republican, so out of the four I'm probably going to go with McCain. 

One simple question. Why does every candidate including McCain say that "America needs change?"

Obviously they all see how bad things are and how much worse they are going to get whcih should tell you that the people you get your info from have been lying to you for a very long time.

Now look at WHO specifically has voted for all of the worst Bush policies over the past 6 plus years.

Wanna guess who that is?

The guy you say you are probably voting for.

Don't get me wrong. I have a ton of respect for McCain for not only what he went through during the war but also for having the balls to explain to the American people that torture under ANY circumstances is unethical, unconstitutional and wrong on every level and it spreads hatred towards America more than anything else we could do (even invading the wrong country)

But....McCain is a corporate hack.

He promotes trickle down economics and we've had 20 plus years of data that clearly shows that giving the rich tax cuts does NOT create jobs and giving a small piece to the rest of us doesn't pump up the economy at all.  

McCain is part of the corporate machine more than any other candidate. He won't hand over the keys as much as Romney and Gulliani will if they were elected but McCain has a proven track record of endless votes where he looked out for the big guy and the big guy only.

Man Dirt, I know you think this is a good thing but this is what we've had for almost 7 years and ALL of the candidates are now stating "change is needed" and that our economy is in deep trouble. Use THIS type of info to judg if Reaganomics works, not Dad or the media.

McCain is also is lying to the American people about the troop surge.

Look back at what they said the surge was needed for.

They ALL said "we need some extra security to create some breathing room for the politicians in Iraq to get the Government up and running.

The Troops fufilled their end of the deal. Everyone agrees that the surge made Iraq a little safer but the reality is that it didn't help at all for long term solutions which means it didn't work.

If you have the best Quarterback in Football and you train him up to throw the ball 80 yards you have one heck of a tool to win a game but what if you have a bad line who can't block and the QB never has time? What if you have slow WR's who can't run 80 yards fast enough?

My point is that war (especially this type of war) has a ton of moving parts and there is no point training up a QB to throw 80 yards if he'll never get that chance.

There is no point in "surging" more troops into Iraq if the politicians are all corrupt and unable to work with each other.

This is what we said prior to the surge and we were call "unpatriotic" for that.

Guys like McCain pushed for this surge (out of desperation) and it failed and a lot of US troops died during that "experiment." (their word not mine)

It would be one thing if Bush or McCain got on TV and said "look, we took a chance based on optimism and it didn't work" but they are lying to the American people acting like the Troops can control the overall destiny of Iraq (they know they can't but they don't want to be blamed personally)

Our Troops are the best on the planet but they cannot solve anything political in Iraq. PERIOD.

With no political solutions you have no solid Government, with no solid Government you have limited peace or security and you certainly wont see basics brought back anytime soon (clean water, electricity, jobs, etc...)

He has the most experience, but then again he's not experienced in the executive branch.  Huckabees too religous and closed minded, Giuliani seems to truly back himself on just 9/11 and Romney; although a brilliant businessman and an all around good person does seem to want to be President, just to be President. 

You nailed all of that. While I disagree with you on McCain being your guy I'm thrilled that you've been able to seperate youself from Mitt Romney which means you are thinking for yourself. Thank you!

I have to run but I'll come back to this.

Take care

I'm not fully impressed with any of the candidates who have a chance.

I was impressed with Obama getting votes. 

Lets be honest here.  The President who will do the best job cleaning up what happened, even though I dont HATE Bush, would be Hillary.  Her hubby, ehemm, Political Partner whose already been there for 8 years would be the best adjusted to take control.  I hate the Clintons, though..

 

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Those that give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Ben Franklin

Sludge:

okay here's what i think. keep in mind that i'm not too big into politics so take what i say with a grain of salt.

Sludge, I always love reading what you have to say for many reasons. First of all you have guts and don't mind saying what might be unpopular or something that might make you look uninformed (whcih rarely ever happens even though you are modest)

Next is that you have evolved soooo much in the past few years and I'm soooo fuggin proud of you for that. I'm not saying you were wrong and now your right or then you disagreed and now you agree or whatever. I just love when someone is capable of taking the time to look at things with an open mind and finds a way to step back from the media hype and the endless distractions and actually sees things for what they really are.

This is not an easy task at all but it's a task you've pull off quite well.

You are da' man!!!

first of all i think for the most part the primarys exist mainly to weed out all of the genuine candidates. all of the sincere politicians who haven't sold out to one of these big, evil corporations get knocked out early. then were left with two candidates who sold their soul to become president,

Unfortunatley, you are exactly right. I hope everyuone in here takes an honest look at these elections and the hype that goes on from the media to direct us towards who they want us to vote for. Once you see how it works then you can go back to 2004 and see how that went down and then 2000, etc....

and now we have to pick the lesser of two evils.

 The media and the corporations that own/operate or pay them push us towards the worst of the two but usually enough of the American people see through the BS and make the right call.

But......

That's when Diebold machines come into play (i/e Ohio 2004 and Florida 2000)

and if that doesn't work....That's when the Supreme Court gets involved (i/e Florida 2000, New Hampshire 2008 and Michigan 2008))

with that said i think this year could be an exception. i think i really like obama and he definately has a fighting chance.

Look at how much hype he got prior to Iowa and now look at the lack of hype. This was no accident. They hyped him to ruin Edwards chances who was threat number 1 (smart white male democrat with name recognition) and they took the hype away prior to New hampshire so he couldn't build the momentum that was building.

 i like Edwards but we all know he doesn't have a chance. honestly i'm not very confident that he would make the best president.

There are pros and cons with Edwards but he had the best chance of any Dem to win the White House.

i also like huckabee and ron paul. they just really seem like two genuine guys. from what i've seen and heard from them they're pretty consistent.

Both are good guys but neither have a chance for similar reasons (not selling out to corporations) Huckabee ruined what little chance he had last week when he said he wants our Constitution modified to line up more with the Bible.

anyways i have a few months to figure it out so we'll see. i do agree with killer when he says that the media really makes sure that they get their guy. they give you all the reasons you need to vote for their guy. i don't know if all of the media outlets are trying to get mccain, romney, like killer says, but thier definately giving us a slanted view of the candidates.

You are doing the right thing. Don't be in any rush but also don't buy into what the TV or radio is telling us.

IF you have any questions about any candidate on either side feel free to throw it out there. If I can't answer it I know people that can.

that's how i feel but what do i know.

You know a lot more than you think and way way more than most of the people in this Country.

Take care Sludge.

 

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Those that give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Ben Franklin

thanks killer! yeah i've changed quite a bit since i joined the jerry board a couple of years ago. it's crazy how people (especially christians, like my family) are so afraid to look outside of the box. i used to be that way cause i grew up in a family that thinks that way.

Sludge:

thanks killer! yeah i've changed quite a bit since i joined the jerry board a couple of years ago. it's crazy how people (especially christians, like my family) are so afraid to look outside of the box. i used to be that way cause i grew up in a family that thinks that way.

 

Me too bro. I'm from next door (Indiana) and I can totally relate.

 Here is some more stuff to look for this week.

 More media created race baiting (wedging) about Hillary and Obama. Even though the candidates themselves aren't talking about this garbage the media will continue to act as though they are talking about it.

It's a tactic that is used to divide a strong group of people into smaller groups. In this case the group of whites who might vote for a black canddiate and the blacks who might vote for the black candidate.

The corporations have seen the polling and they know that a lot of blacks and whites will vote for Obama but this endless (fictional) debate (turned into turmoil)  over race will cause some blacks to go with Hillary and even more whites to go with Hillary.

You'll see even more African American (Hillary backing) talking heads on TV defending Obama (you read that right...Obama) and this is done to cause a knee jerk reaction from whites who might have voted for Obama but now they won't because of all the race issues being brought up and the radical blacks talking on their TV.

The other thing that will happen soon is that Fred Thompson will drop out.  He was only in the race to keep Huckabee from building momentum especially in South Carolina. Now that Huckbee is all but dead meat Thompson can go back to laying on his couch.

Has anyone been watching the media coverage on this circus?

Look for this tonight.

The media will continue to talk about Huckabee in passed tense as if he has no chance now that S Carolina didn't go his way and he didn't do well in nevada but at the same time they'll talk about how Rudy Gulliani is still alive and has a chance.

This is the corporations inserting one of their guys into the race even though Gulliani hasn't had any sucess in any of the races thus far.

The entire media has also lied about Gulliani in that they say "he has all of his eggs in one basket" refering to Florida but the reality is that he had all his eggs in New Hampshire until he got his *ss beaten but they don't want to remind America of recent history (reality) they want to act like that never happened and to give Rudy another shot.

The corporations always hedge their bets. If Gulliani falls flat in Florida they still have Mitt Romney to fall back on and for some odd reason a lot of Republicans still like this guy.

How can they be ok with a guy like Romney who has changed positions on almost every issue more than once but then the exact same people made such a huge deal over John  Kerry being a "flip flopper" even though that was a solid vote and wasn't even a flip flop.

Remember the brainwashed line the right wingers were repeating leading up to the 2004 elections?
"I might not agree with Bush but at least I know where he stands on issues."

If they disagree with Bush then they should vote AGAINST Bush.

DUH.

and now the double DUH......
They don't have any fuggin' clue at all where Mitt Romney stands on anything but that's some how ok with them.

Folks, this is what happens when you get millions of Americans together who don't have a clue about reality and to make up for their personal apathy they turn on the TV and think they are getting informed.

more later.

peace

 

 

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Those that give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Ben Franklin

MANdirtEXCUSES:

I dont HATE Bush. I hate the Clintons, though..

Hey Man Dirt,

This blows me away that you can hate the Clintons but be ok with Bush.

Can you please take some time to explain this to me?

I thought you were a big fan of "family values?"

and aren't you a big fan of the "sanctity of marriage?"

If you hate the Clintons then aren't you going against what you believe in?

This couple put their child first and don't we need a lot more of that in America these days?

On top of that they took their marriage very seriously after Bill screwed up. Isn't that what we're supposed to do?

Would you rather the Clintons do what McCain or Gulliani did? Cheat and then leave her when she finds out?

Do you hate Clinton because of policy?

The number 1 thing I've heard from you man dirst is that you despise paying for any other person no matter what. You don't want to pay for kids, single mothers, katrina victims, etc...

Who is the ONLY President who has ever gotten a social program in America under control?

Clinton.

Who is the only President who reformed Welfare?

Clinton

Do you love Bush because he's "tough on terror!"

Now think about who actually stopped a major attack from happening on US soil?

Clinton

The economy?

ONLY the top 3% were whining when Clinton was president with their greedy crying......
 "How dare that guy make me pay my fair share of those billions!!!!"

Now we see the polar opposite .....the other 97% are crying.

Which way do you prefer?

Did Clinton mess with the Constitution when he was President?

Now find me a piece of the Constitution that Bush HASN'T messed with.

Man Dirt, in all seriousness my friend......

If you honestly hate Clinton and you thought his time in the White House was bad then I hate to tell you this but you will never, ever, ever see times like that again in your lifetime.

NEVER.

Bush and his corporate sell out moves and his endless unconstitutional moves have ensured that America will never ever see that type of a leader ensuring Constitutional Rights, ensuring safety, following through on job growth and creating a huge wave consumer confidence like those "dreadfful" Clinton years.

If you thought our best years were bad then you a) will never be happy or b) you will never take an honest look at our leaders in a nonpartisan way.

Is it worth it for you to watch 8 good years pass you buy and trying to convince yourself that they were BAD years all in the name of being a "Republican?"

I don't think so.

I think I've heard you complain about illegal immigration.

How many illegals were in America when Clinton left office? 2.8 million

How many after 7 years of Bush? Between 11 and 27 million.

and you trust a Republican to fix this problem?

Bro, their friends begged them to create that issue in the name of cheap labor and Union busting.

This was nothing short of a well orchastrated/allowed invasion. How patriotic is that?
What about those millions of American kids who don't have money for college or like manula labor type jobs? How are they going to get a job as a contractor or a painter if they are competing with people that will work for less than minimum wage?

Now where will the uneducated Americans turn to work to feed their families?

Crime maybe?

....which leads to the welfare program we instead call "prison."

I bet your answer wil be"they should all go to college."

OK, lets say every single kid in America went to college....now where are all the college paying jobs?

They don't exists bro.

We have tons of college grads now working in shopping Malls across America because of the horrible Bush polciy (tax cuts to move jobs out of America)

man Dirt lets play a little game for a minute......

How would you feel if the Presidents were flipped?

What if Bush were President from 1993-2001 and Clinton from 2001-2009.

How would you feel if Clinton didn't want any investiagtions in regards to 9/11?

 Would you be upset if Clinton undermined Habeas Corpus?

Implemented patriot Act?

Warrantless wire tapping?

If Clinton tortured people in secret prisons around the world?

If Clinton allowed 9 to 26 million illegals into America?

Ran up our national debt from $2.8 trillion to $8.3 trillion in 7 years.

Outing a CIA agent to cover up the lies that started the Iraq war?

Deleting years of emails?

Gas prices?

Corporate mergers which have caused our prices to increase BIGTIME?

The loan shark home loans?

Katrina Victims?
I bet you'd be saying "Clinton turned his back on Gods people" and "he is satan."

and most importantly.....How would you feel if Clinton did all of those bad and/or stupid things and didn't take one single drop of responsibility?

You'd be livid.

Why do I say that? Because you hate Clinton and he DIDN'T do any of that.

....but you're ok with Bush.

How would you feel if Clinton were responsible for that and the other 500 evil, greedy or stupid things Bush has done?

The corporate media is there to keep you from thinking about these two presidents side by side but you have a brain....and it's up to you to use it.

The corporate media is there to tell you "our economy is good now and was bad under Clinton" hoping we'll continue to take out loans to buy complete crap and you yourself might allow history to be rewritten in your own brain but most of America realizes that those Clinton years were wonderful years to be in America.

 peace

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Those that give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Ben Franklin

SoFarAway:

Primary elections don't make sense.  Michigan screwed up and who knows if we get any delegates anyway?  I had to declare which of the two parties that I was voting for.  Then, they asked me if the number of the ballot was the same as what was on their paperwork.  After all this I had to mark uncommitted on the ballot to offer my support for Barak Obama.  I see character and intelligence in Obama.  Edwards and Clinton seem like marionettes, fake and complete with political strings attached. 

You rule for having the conscience to stick with "uncommited!"

Thank you!!!!!!

Now to Michigan....

You didn't get any delegates and sadly I have to tell ya, nor should you.

and before you get mad at me please hear me out.

When states move their primary farther away from the general election it screws the candidates with less money (mostly less connected to corporate money) and helps those that can earn more faster or ARE connected to corporations.

Moving primary dates earlier is a bad thing for the people and a super duper great thing for corporations who are allready taking this country over from every other angle.

Corporations are the lone driving force in pushing primary dates earlier. The corporations then made up the excuse that "the states want to feel more important" but that's total BS. If every state moved their date up then every state would be in the exact same place they were when they started.

If we did that then who wins?

Corporations and their puppet nominee and nobody else.

Michigan moved their primary up and the Democratic party was smart enough to screw you for doing that.

Please don't be mad at the national democratic party for your voice not being heard please instead point your anger towards the local election offices within the party who sold out and allowed the change in your primary date.

Push hard to get it moved back and while you're at it fight until death to get rid of those electronic voting machines.

I think we can all agree that we don't want these elections to become even MORE about who can raise the most fastest and earlier primary's are all about helping those candidates.

We should want those not connected to big money to run for President too.

After all....they make the best Presidents.

 

 

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Those that give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Ben Franklin

MANdirtEXCUSES:

 Romney; although a brilliant businessman and an all around good person does seem to want to be President, just to be President. 

You left out one other reason Romney wants to be President.

To recoup the money spent on this campaign and double it a few hundred times.

Think the "D*ck Cheney style" of government. We allowed Bush and D*ck to do it so Romney will do it too.

You're 100% correct that he's a good business man but in all the worst ways.

He's greedy and greedy people want the White House to excelerate profits.

Think Bush and Cheney type of profits.

Did he exercise true "trickle down" when he made $100's of millions and STILL hired illegal aliens to mow his grass instead of some kid that needed to save for college?

That sums up the flaw/myth of "trickle down" actually working.

When someone is willing to use their own money it doesn't smell of honesty it reeks of desperation and do you think any man would be willing to pump millions of their own dough into a campaign and not be thinking about retrieving that money later on down the road and more?

Mitt Romney is corporate whore #1 of a pretty long list of them.

Plus he's the biggest liar of them all and playing dirtier than any one else with negative (and very false) ads.  

McCain has a shot at winning only because the RNC can seperate themselves from him after his nightmare 4 years. They'll fall back on the tried and tested "he was never one of us" so they'll have a decent shot to win in 2012 (Rick Perry)

No matter WHO the President is after Bush will be a 1 term President. This is 100% gauranteed.

This is the reason the RNC itself WANTS to lose in 2008. They want a Dem to fall flat and then they can get 8 years starting in 2012.

but the corporations are always stronger than a single political party and no matter how hard the RNC might be trying to lose the corporations will always put their guys out in the spotlight (Romney and Gulliani)

The next President will be a 1 term President.

That's how bad Bush policies have been (think Reagan) and that's how the media will spin it (think Papa Bush after Reagan) and that's how naive the American people will be to hold our next President responsible for the huge mess that they are walking into (we are stupid/uninformed every day)

If Obama pulls of a miracle and wins the primary he wont live to see the general elections (think MLK, RFK or Bhutto) and if Hillary wins she'll lose to the Republican.

Folks, the script has already been written and is already in stone and we all have the corporations of America and their greedy friends globally (from Saudi to China) to thank for it.

I have to run.

c ya!

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Those that give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Ben Franklin