MacFrey:

LOL @ Tom Brady being on that list.

He sits behind a steel wall and get 2 hours to throw a pass. Look what happens when he has to scramble a little bit? Or gets hit once in a while, he becomes a worthless hack. Remember 2 years ago when the Dolphins hit him a few times, broke his nerves and he lost the game for the Pats?

That list can be true for any part BUT brady. People need to stop giving him all the praise, give his offensive line the praise.
 

he had a mediocre game on the big stage for once. now we're gonna gorget all those times he's come up in the clutch. or how he's one of the most accurate QBs ever. given all the time in the world some of those QBs on that list couldn't put the ball right between the nubers like brady. i mean would the pats have beaten the rams in that first SB or any of those SBs with drew bledsoe? no fucking way!!!

you mention bardy and his protection. what about aikman? he had a much better o-line than brady. maybe the best ever. or montana?

as far as staubach goes he's before my time. since i've started watching football (1988) until now these are my top ten. i think maybe 1 or 2 are questionable but i don't think brady is one of them.

Although I'm not much of a sports fan, Favre is from these neck of the woods......He's in so many damn "New Car" commercials on T.V around here ALL of the time...lol!  I just thought I'd chime in and mention that ...I just see his face in local car dealership adds 300x a day!LOL!  Anyhow, just my pointless 2 cents...  Much Love & Peace, Lea

Sludge:

MacFrey:

LOL @ Tom Brady being on that list.

He sits behind a steel wall and get 2 hours to throw a pass. Look what happens when he has to scramble a little bit? Or gets hit once in a while, he becomes a worthless hack. Remember 2 years ago when the Dolphins hit him a few times, broke his nerves and he lost the game for the Pats?

That list can be true for any part BUT brady. People need to stop giving him all the praise, give his offensive line the praise.
 

he had a mediocre game on the big stage for once. now we're gonna gorget all those times he's come up in the clutch. or how he's one of the most accurate QBs ever. given all the time in the world some of those QBs on that list couldn't put the ball right between the nubers like brady. i mean would the pats have beaten the rams in that first SB or any of those SBs with drew bledsoe? no fucking way!!!

you mention bardy and his protection. what about aikman? he had a much better o-line than brady. maybe the best ever. or montana?

as far as staubach goes he's before my time. since i've started watching football (1988) until now these are my top ten. i think maybe 1 or 2 are questionable but i don't think brady is one of them.

I also should have said I don't think Tom Brady is bad. He is a very good quarterback and is extremely respectable, but all those times he came up in the clutch.. oh wait, it was Viniteri(sp?). Hes not a top 10 QB of all time, nor a top 15. Top 20? Good possibility. Hes done very good things in his time in the league, but his supporting cast has been outstanding. The combination of Moss and Welker this year made him look amazingly good, because Welker is always open and you only need to throw high to Moss. 

Again, I'm not saying he is bad, but I'm sure if you put Drew Brees behind that line this year, he throws up numbers nearly as good, if not the same. The same could be said with any number of Quarterbacks. But especially imagine what would have happened if Peyton was behind that line? Remember when Peyton played the first series of games when his team was in the play offs? Yeah, Brady's record is nothing compared to Peyton's season when Peyton set the record. Peyton did it in far less attempts, and he could have easily thrown 4-5 more TD's.

People just need to stop making Brady out to be some saint. He sits in a pretty pocket all day long and does what he should do, and he does it good. But there are far better QB's than him.
 

we're any of vinitere's kicks beyond 50 yards? i think not? brady put him in position to make those kicks.

it's quiting time so i'll stop at that. but we're not done buddy?

something for you to think about since you're so quick to critisize my list? over the last 20 years give me your top 10.

To be 100% honest, I could not put a top 10 list together, per say. I would put 15 QB's into a pool. I would make a list of 10 QB's. I would keep making changes to the list every 5 minutes because its impossible to choose who ranks where. Favre being #1 is debatable, Montana being #1 is debatable, Elway #1, debatable, and so on and so forth. Each one has their great qualities. Marino, Manning, Brady, all amazing pocket passers. Favre, Elway, Young all energetic and lead the team through energy, etc. Its to difficult to put together a ranked top 10 list.

I'm being over board on Brady. I've just put up with SC, fans, and the media slobbering all over the guy, and he is not a top 10 QB of all time. He is a great QB in many regards, many important regards, but there were and are better QB's fitted for a top 10 list. I'll leave it at that.

I love Brady for what he can do, and hate him for doing it. Please, do not leave here thinking that I believe Brady is bad, because he is far from it. I'm just saying there are easily 10-12 QB's that are better than him through out history.
 

MacFrey:

To be 100% honest, I could not put a top 10 list together, per say. I would put 15 QB's into a pool. I would make a list of 10 QB's. I would keep making changes to the list every 5 minutes because its impossible to choose who ranks where. Favre being #1 is debatable, Montana being #1 is debatable, Elway #1, debatable, and so on and so forth. Each one has their great qualities. Marino, Manning, Brady, all amazing pocket passers. Favre, Elway, Young all energetic and lead the team through energy, etc. Its to difficult to put together a ranked top 10 list.

I'm being over board on Brady. I've just put up with SC, fans, and the media slobbering all over the guy, and he is not a top 10 QB of all time. He is a great QB in many regards, many important regards, but there were and are better QB's fitted for a top 10 list. I'll leave it at that.

I love Brady for what he can do, and hate him for doing it. Please, do not leave here thinking that I believe Brady is bad, because he is far from it. I'm just saying there are easily 10-12 QB's that are better than him through out history.
 

And because you asked, I will put together a "pool" of my top 15 QB's of all time. These are 15 QB's that I believe are deserving of saying "Yes, he is in the top 15, with out a doubt"

(numbers used for counting, not in a 1 = best sense) 

1. Dan Marino

2. Steve Young

3. Troy Aikman

4. Bart Starr

5. Joe Namath

6. Terry Bradshaw

7. Joe Montana

8. Peyton Manning

9. Brett Favre

10. Bob Griese

11. Roger Staubach

12. John Elway

13. Jim Kelly

14. Johnny Unitas

15. Tom Brady 

Very close?

Warren Moon, Frank Tarkenton, Otto Graham, Archie Manning

Again, I'm not saying Marino is one, Brady is 15. My argument is though, out of that list, I could easily choose 10 people that are better than Brady. But, as the years pass, Peyton and Brady are going to make such strong runs (baring any major accident, complication, etc.), that I see those two ending up in the top 5 of all time because they are very impressive. I think Manning leads the all time QB rating with something near a 95, and obviously Brady's resume.
 

okay you have just proven to me your lack of football knowledge with this list. this is unbelievable. lets break it down.

1. Dan Marino: good! i put montana ahead of him because of his ability to make plays in the clutch anf 4 SB rings.

2. Steve Young: the most accurate passer ever. after rethinking this i would maybe move him up to #4 over bardy.

3. Troy Aikman: great qb but definately not 3rd best ever imo. you talk about brady's cast. aikman had a far better line and better skill players than brady ever had. better defense too.

4. Bart Starr: are you kidding me! yes it was a different era but starr threw for 24k yards w/ 152 TDs compared to montana's 40k and over 250 tds. not to mention elway, favre moon. there's are a lot ob better qbs out there. no way is he a top 15 let alone top 10 qb.

5. Joe Namath: this is even more laughable than starr! the guy had 152 tds and 252 ints. the only reason joe made it into the hall is because of the gurantee. hell my boy boomer esiason has numbers that dwarf starr or namath. the guy had nearly 40k yards, 247 td and 184 ints. all of this with over 2,000 more attempts than namath or starr. and you put this guy ahead of elway, montana and your boy favre who you said was the best ever in the first place. wow!

6. Terry Bradshaw: about the same stats as starr and namath. did play on some of the best teams ever and a running offense. definately not a top 10 qb on my list. prolly not top 15.

7. Joe Montana:probably the best qb of all time.

8. Peyton Manning: the smartest qb of all time. can dissect a defense in his sleep.

9. Brett Favre: the toughest qb of all time. one of the most fearless qbs ever and MAYBE the best arm.

10. Bob Griese: wow! you are on crack. this guy has less worst numbers than namath, starr, or bradshaw. his team did nothing but run the ball all of the time. if he was such a great passer why didn't they let him throw more. i mean these guys are before my time but based on highlights that i've seen and talking to older people i would put tarkenton, archie manning, staubach, or unitas ahead of those guys (starr, bradshaw, griese, or namath) 

11. Roger Staubach: i mean look at who you are putting these guys before. do some research, read the stats out loud to yourself, than ask yourself....does my list really make any fucking sense at all.

12. John Elway: 12?

13. Jim Kelly?

14. Johnny Unitas: pretty much the fist great passer in this league. i would say he's definately a top 15 maybe a top 10. if you look at his stats and the era that he played in his numbers put any other QB's to shame. 

15. Tom Brady: well i told you to give me a list from the last 20 years which you didn't, but still your list is pretty much a piece of shit. i mean any of your honorable mention were better than that handfull of questionable qbs you had up there.

that's all....nice try!

MacFrey:

MacFrey:

To be 100% honest, I could not put a top 10 list together, per say. I would put 15 QB's into a pool. I would make a list of 10 QB's. I would keep making changes to the list every 5 minutes because its impossible to choose who ranks where. Favre being #1 is debatable, Montana being #1 is debatable, Elway #1, debatable, and so on and so forth. Each one has their great qualities. Marino, Manning, Brady, all amazing pocket passers. Favre, Elway, Young all energetic and lead the team through energy, etc. Its to difficult to put together a ranked top 10 list.

I'm being over board on Brady. I've just put up with SC, fans, and the media slobbering all over the guy, and he is not a top 10 QB of all time. He is a great QB in many regards, many important regards, but there were and are better QB's fitted for a top 10 list. I'll leave it at that.

I love Brady for what he can do, and hate him for doing it. Please, do not leave here thinking that I believe Brady is bad, because he is far from it. I'm just saying there are easily 10-12 QB's that are better than him through out history.
 

 

And because you asked, I will put together a "pool" of my top 15 QB's of all time. These are 15 QB's that I believe are deserving of saying "Yes, he is in the top 15, with out a doubt"

(numbers used for counting, not in a 1 = best sense) 

1. Dan Marino

2. Steve Young

3. Troy Aikman

4. Bart Starr

5. Joe Namath

6. Terry Bradshaw

7. Joe Montana

8. Peyton Manning

9. Brett Favre

10. Bob Griese

11. Roger Staubach

12. John Elway

13. Jim Kelly

14. Johnny Unitas

15. Tom Brady 

Very close?

Warren Moon, Frank Tarkenton, Otto Graham, Archie Manning

 

Again, I'm not saying Marino is one, Brady is 15. My argument is though, out of that list, I could easily choose 10 people that are better than Brady. But, as the years pass, Peyton and Brady are going to make such strong runs (baring any major accident, complication, etc.), that I see those two ending up in the top 5 of all time because they are very impressive. I think Manning leads the all time QB rating with something near a 95, and obviously Brady's resume.
 

Look at that Ladies and Gentleman, we have an incompetent idiot. Learn to read before you lash out at me ass hole. I will now BOLD Some parts you need to read ass wipe.

Read before you look like a fool. Then come back to me. I clearly stated that they are not in a particular order.

"Again, I'm not saying Marino is one, Brady is 15"

"(numbers used for counting, not in a 1 = best sense)"

So, before I lack Football knowledge, you need to prove you do not lack the knowledge to read.

Thats all. Nice try!
 

MacFrey:

MacFrey:

MacFrey:

To be 100% honest, I could not put a top 10 list together, per say. I would put 15 QB's into a pool. I would make a list of 10 QB's. I would keep making changes to the list every 5 minutes because its impossible to choose who ranks where. Favre being #1 is debatable, Montana being #1 is debatable, Elway #1, debatable, and so on and so forth. Each one has their great qualities. Marino, Manning, Brady, all amazing pocket passers. Favre, Elway, Young all energetic and lead the team through energy, etc. Its to difficult to put together a ranked top 10 list.

I'm being over board on Brady. I've just put up with SC, fans, and the media slobbering all over the guy, and he is not a top 10 QB of all time. He is a great QB in many regards, many important regards, but there were and are better QB's fitted for a top 10 list. I'll leave it at that.

I love Brady for what he can do, and hate him for doing it. Please, do not leave here thinking that I believe Brady is bad, because he is far from it. I'm just saying there are easily 10-12 QB's that are better than him through out history.
 

 

And because you asked, I will put together a "pool" of my top 15 QB's of all time. These are 15 QB's that I believe are deserving of saying "Yes, he is in the top 15, with out a doubt"

(numbers used for counting, not in a 1 = best sense) 

1. Dan Marino

2. Steve Young

3. Troy Aikman

4. Bart Starr

5. Joe Namath

6. Terry Bradshaw

7. Joe Montana

8. Peyton Manning

9. Brett Favre

10. Bob Griese

11. Roger Staubach

12. John Elway

13. Jim Kelly

14. Johnny Unitas

15. Tom Brady 

Very close?

Warren Moon, Frank Tarkenton, Otto Graham, Archie Manning

 

Again, I'm not saying Marino is one, Brady is 15. My argument is though, out of that list, I could easily choose 10 people that are better than Brady. But, as the years pass, Peyton and Brady are going to make such strong runs (baring any major accident, complication, etc.), that I see those two ending up in the top 5 of all time because they are very impressive. I think Manning leads the all time QB rating with something near a 95, and obviously Brady's resume.
 

 

Look at that Ladies and Gentleman, we have an incompetent idiot. Learn to read before you lash out at me ass hole. I will now BOLD Some parts you need to read ass wipe.

Read before you look like a fool. Then come back to me. I clearly stated that they are not in a particular order.

"Again, I'm not saying Marino is one, Brady is 15"

"(numbers used for counting, not in a 1 = best sense)"

So, before I lack Football knowledge, you need to prove you do not lack the knowledge to read.

Thats all. Nice try!
 

to even put any of those qbs in your top 15 proves that you DO NOT KNOW SHIT. just the mere fact that namath and starr popped up in your little mind before montana and elway just shows how much you don't know. please catch up on your nfl films during the offseason and come back when you know something.

Nice try at a save.

but you still look like an ass for not reading.

But wait, to put any of them? didn't you have Montana, Favre, Brady, Manning and Marino in your top ten? So do you not know shit either? I'm confused, because I believe you are calling yourself stupid as well.
 

yeah i told you what players on had a problem with on that list. apparently your reading isn't to great either.

seriously i don't care anymore. if you think soome overrated, mediocre QBs were some of the best ever than good for you.

Sludge:

yeah i told you what players on had a problem with on that list. apparently your reading isn't to great either.

seriously i don't care anymore. if you think soome overrated, mediocre QBs were some of the best ever than good for you.

What you thought about my list was not the debate at hand anyways.  

yeah tom brady is without a doubt bett than 6 players in your top 15.

brett favre is not the best QB of all time.

LCooley:

Although I'm not much of a sports fan, Favre is from these neck of the woods......He's in so many damn "New Car" commercials on T.V around here ALL of the time...lol!  I just thought I'd chime in and mention that ...I just see his face in local car dealership adds 300x a day!LOL!  Anyhow, just my pointless 2 cents...  Much Love & Peace, Lea

now, while i do admire macfreys loyalty (ie: the stabbing statement) i think you two need to bond and  put your differences aside ...... learn to love one and embrace your diversity

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