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BILL CLINTON PUT NO MONEY INTO OUR MILITARY AND DIDNT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEM.  IT IS HIS FAULT THERE WAS NO FUNDS TO BACK A WAR IF NECESSARY BECAUSE HIS NIEVE ASS, AND HIS ADVISORS THOUGHT THERE WAS NOW AN EVERLASTING PEACE.  HE WAS TOO BUSY EXPANDING OUR GOVERNMENT, RATHER THAN PAYING ATTENTION TO OTHER COUNTRIES.

CLINTONS JUST TO BLAME AS BUSH

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BILL CLINTON PUT NO MONEY INTO OUR MILITARY AND DIDNT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEM.  IT IS HIS FAULT THERE WAS NO FUNDS TO BACK A WAR IF NECESSARY BECAUSE HIS NIEVE ASS, AND HIS ADVISORS THOUGHT THERE WAS NOW AN EVERLASTING PEACE.  HE WAS TOO BUSY EXPANDING OUR GOVERNMENT, RATHER THAN PAYING ATTENTION TO OTHER COUNTRIES.

CLINTONS JUST TO BLAME AS BUSH

Where do you get this crap bro?

I was in the Navy from 1985 to 1987. I was aloowed to get out a year early. Ronald Reagan was President. HE cut the heads. HE cut the funding. HE cut entire brigades out of the armed forces.He slashed military contracts (except the profiteering contracts for friends like the Star Wars program that still doesn't work)

GHW Bush did the same.

Clinton continued on that Reagan path.

Nobody, included Ronald Reagan, including GHW Bush, including Bill Clinton never in a million years expected future US leadership to completely spin on a dime and launch an invasion and occupation of this epic proportion.

This is why so many people were sickened when Rumsfeld said "you fight with the military that you've got."

NO, you don't fight a huge war with not enough people and we see the effects of that right now. Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney and friends should have been sent to prison for going into war with not enough Troops. They knew full well what would happen and they didn't give a flying sh*t about the troops or anyone else.

If a football coach has 7 healthy players do they play the game? NO.  The coach would be thrown in jail because it would be wreckless behavior to allow 7 guys on a field.

The easiest way to approach democracy in Iraq and even overthrowing Saddam in Iraq didn't even involve our military at all. 

Why do you think that instead of worrying about planning for the Iraq war they instead focused their attention on guys like General Shinseki who was trying to tell them what would happen if they invaded Iraq, what would happen if they removed Saddam, what would happen if you didn't send enough troops, etc....

The surge itself is an admittal that General Shinseki was 100% correct and that Bush and friends goofed in the worst way before the war was started.

Why is everything always Clintons fault?

Do you ever take a minute to wonder why the same people that tell you "it's Clinton's fault" are the same people making excuses for everything Bush does?

Are ya maybe listening to political hacks?

Are ya maybe listening to a relative that's in denial?

Are ya maybe listening or reading info from someone with a political agenda?

Look, I can prove I'm not in bed with any political party's because I can give credit where credit is due.

The Clinton administration benefited from a strong economy thatw as initially created by GHW Bush tax INCREASES on corporations (this is why the media turned on Papa Bush causing him to lose to Clinton)

Reagan gets the credit for slashing our military down. The cold war was over. It made all the sense in the world. GHW Bush looked over the data and made the same decision as did "evil" Clinton.

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BILL CLINTON PUT NO MONEY INTO OUR MILITARY AND DIDNT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEM.  IT IS HIS FAULT THERE WAS NO FUNDS TO BACK A WAR IF NECESSARY BECAUSE HIS NIEVE ASS, AND HIS ADVISORS THOUGHT THERE WAS NOW AN EVERLASTING PEACE.  HE WAS TOO BUSY EXPANDING OUR GOVERNMENT, RATHER THAN PAYING ATTENTION TO OTHER COUNTRIES.

CLINTONS JUST TO BLAME AS BUSH

Here is a question for you.

Starting in 2002 (AFTER 9/11) and AFTER they had Iraq planned Bush and the Republican Congress starting moving BILLIONS away from the VA.

Are you ok with that?

If you are post 9/11 and you know a war is going on in Afghanistan and another is being planned for Iraq then wouldn't you go ahead and leave the VA money alone?

Wouldn't you maybe even raise the dollar figure going into the VA?

Republicans did the opposite, they took money AWAY form the VA.

For the past 4 years democrats have tried endlessly to get that money back into the VA and Republicans stopped them everytime.

This bill I'm speaking of just passed last week.

Dems took over in January. They introduced the Bill in February. The republicans fought it over and over and Bush threatened to veto it over and over.

In the past month many republicans who are running campaigns decided to sign off on it and Bush STILL threatened a veto.

FINALLY last week enough republicans begged him to sign it. They didn't want this bill failing to be held against them in November elections.

Does this sound like a political party that cares about our troops?

THIS is why you hear all of the attention being placed on Bill Clinton.

If you are busy thinking about Clinton you won't pay attention to what republicans are doing or not doing.

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BILL CLINTON PUT NO MONEY INTO OUR MILITARY AND DIDNT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEM.  IT IS HIS FAULT THERE WAS NO FUNDS TO BACK A WAR IF NECESSARY BECAUSE HIS NIEVE ASS, AND HIS ADVISORS THOUGHT THERE WAS NOW AN EVERLASTING PEACE.  HE WAS TOO BUSY EXPANDING OUR GOVERNMENT, RATHER THAN PAYING ATTENTION TO OTHER COUNTRIES.

CLINTONS JUST TO BLAME AS BUSH

Do you honestly think Clinton expanded our government more than GW Bush?

if so you have several bolts loose bro.

The patriot act? That is a MASSIVE expansion of our Government nothing like Clintons 8 years.

163,000 contractors in Iraq working on the taxpayers dime?
Iis expanding Government like Clinton never did.

$32 billion in subsidies to Oil companies? This is huge expansion.

$800 billion in drug company subsidies? HUGE expansion (costs more than the Iraq war so far)

Homeland security?
250,000 new government employees that are LESS affective at their job as the 41,000 they replaced.

Secret prisons around the world?
This is a completely illegal and unethical expansion of Government.

Warrantless wiretapping our phone lines and internet?
Clinton never came close to doing sh*t like this bro and if he would have you would have publically hung the guy.

Think about it Bro, you hate Hillary and all she ever did was forgive a cheationg husband and try to give some kids some health care for cheap while you sit back and allow Republicans to steal right in front of your eyes and expand Government like never before.

Do you think you're getting one sided information from your sources man dirt?

Bush says one day "it's perfectly legal" to wire tap Americans but then demands that Congress pass a bill giving the phone companies retroactive immunity.

Have you ever asked yourself man Dirt, if it's legal then why do the phone companies need retroactive immunity?

Right wing talk radio would LOVE to raise holy hell about the phone companies stopping with the secret wiretapping because the federal Government forgot to pay the $55,000 phone bill. Think about Limbaugh or O'Reilly "these phone companies are unpatriotic, they could have costs thousands of Americans their lives over a puny phone bill."

 but they can't complain about it because then they'd be admitting that Bush and friends are breaking the law and even worse undermining our Constitution.

Man Dirt, How on Earth can you even think Clinton expanded government anywhere NEAR what these guys have done. It's not even close.

Even John McCain (a little too late) admits to being a part of the worst 6 years in American history in regards to Government expansion and over reaching.

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 CLINTON  WAS TOO BUSY EXPANDING OUR GOVERNMENT, RATHER THAN PAYING ATTENTION TO OTHER COUNTRIES.

 

Oh yea, I forgot.....

Man Dirt here is a quiz for you......Feel free to look up all of the answers.

Look up how many times Bush visited Israel prior to the Israel war with Hezbollah in 2006.

Look at how many times sec of state Rice went to Israel prior to that war.

Look at how many times the State department held cabinet meetings with Isreal.

Look at how many times Bush and crew spoke with Palestine and Beirut about removing Hezbollah from Lebanon.

Look at how many times the Bush administration held phone conversations with Israel, palestone, Lebanon or Hezbollah.

Look at how many emails were sent from Bush or the State department in regards to Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, or Hezbollah.

Thsi was an easy test man Dirt.

EVERY answer was ZERO.

This information came from the Israel PM himself who said several times that the Bush White house has not been involved in any talks what so ever.

Bush didn't even call them to talk baseball.

Do you know how much money that war costs us?

 Do you understand how many American college students could have died in the middle of that war from Israeli bombs?

Do you know that we got into a spending war with Hezzbollah trying to see who could rebuild Lebanon faster (they won)  because we didn't want them building political capital with the people of Lebanon (they won and are now a big part of the Labonese Government)

In closing......

The only thing worse than a lie is when someone repeats it.

The only thing worse than that is when the person has the common sense not to repeat it but choses to anyway.

Think about that bro.

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Killer, it pains me that you have to spell out the things that we know are right! Mike 

Hi Mike,

I'm with you bro. I am shocked daily at how ignorant, naive or brainwashed so many people in America are.

MD is a very very smart guy who has a good head on his shoulders. It's just that he's getting his info from the wrong people.

 MD complained about Clinton expanding Government and gave no evidence of any particular expansion of Government during the Clinton years.

I remember the Clinton years and I can name off the top of my head every single move Clinton made that I disagreed with including the PMRC garbage with parental censorship that Tipper Gore pushed (for the religious right)

 ...talk about laughable.......

They call the Gores the most liberal family in America as if that's some sort of "evil mantra" and the point person for the entire PMRC music censorship campaign was Al Gore's wife.

THIS sums up the short memory of America.

I wish these brainwashed people running around would just take a minute to ask why they are backing research done by oil companies over all other research. If he looked at both sides with an open mind he'd find reality within the data but instead he's allowing himself to be tricked by phony data and then trusting those sources without fact checking them.

I personally think you always throw out the data that is paid for and complied by the group with the most to make or most to lose...in this case the Oil Company "scientific" data would be the last data I would put relevance in and people on the right are ONLY putting relevance in the very data they should be most suspicious of.

Think about how wrong that is.

I wish they'd take a step back and take a minute to think about WHO came up with "trickle down economics" and how the SAME people are the ones acting like it's helping the masses when the evidence has shown over the past 7 years PLUS the 8 years of Reagan that trickle down is the worst economic idea EVER (unless you are loaded)  

I wish someone on TV or radio would ask the simple question...

"If trickle down economics works then why are we currently scrambling to keep the economy from crashing?"

or another simple question is......

"If trickle down actually creates jobs then why have we had only 2 or 3 positive months in the entire Bush Presidency?"

Bush said in the state of the union that "recently we saw 52 straight months of job growth."

This is one of a thousand counter productive lies he's spread amongst the American public and this stuff gives us a false sense of security that we should not have right now.

They love to be "realist" when it comes to the global war on terror by saying crap like "the American people deserve to know the enemy and know that this emeny will harm them" but they act the exact opposite when it comes to America losing job, and losing wages, and benefits, and pensions, etc....

This past 7 years of job growth is a complete myth.

If Alaska Airlines lays off 1,200 American workers and then hires 400 people from India to replace them. How many jobs did we gain or lose?  

In Republican math this is 400 new jobs.

In normal math this would be a loss of 800 jobs.

Now figure in the simple equation that we need 142,600 new jobs per month to offset the population increase and you can see how far off their math really gets.

If you need 142,600 new jobs per month and you gain 120,000 total new jobs it's not 120,000 new jobs. It's  22,600 jobs LOST.

and don't forget that 80% of the new jobs in America are service industry jobs so a person might be employed but they are under employed which means they'll pay minimal tax, they won't eat out much, shop much or buy a house or car which means the economy and the Governments don't see much positive impact from under employed people.....

AND because they are under employeed and the dollar is weaker and inflation is going up  means they are much more susceptible to commiting crimes which then leads to jail which then leads to more expenses from the tax payers.

Isn't it easier to just give tax insentivies to companies to KEEP American workers employeed?

Isn't it just easier to set up a healthcare system that isn't for profit?

and on top of that the 400 Indians they hire not only make less money which means less spending but also a group of people that will send a lot of their disposable incopme out of the country.

Which means EVERYTHING is wrong with this type of replacement of the American worker.

MD complained about Clinton expanding Government and gave no evidence of any particular expansion of Government.

I gave ten or so HUGE examples of Bush expansion of Government (most of which breaks our laws) and he didn't even reply.

Here is a good example of people that are being fooled, tricked or brainwashed by our media.

If you watch the Republican debate they all speak of fixing the "broken border" with Mexico.

First of all why was it a "conspiracy theory" that so many of us were trying to alert the general public during the past 7 years that this open border policy was going on.

Now think back to which political party was in power when the open border policy started.    Republicans.

Are you seeing the pattern?

They fund Saddam and later on they suck a ton of money from us to take him down.

They fund Pakistan now and a few years from now they'll suck a ton of money out of us to take Musharraf down.

They opened up the border for cheap labor for their friends who own the corporate farms and now suddenly Republicans want us to pay to fix the problem.

…and they have the nerve to blame the Democrats for this problem.

It doesn't bug me that the Republican Party tries tactics like this but it does bother me when so many Americans have no memory in regards to recent events and who to actually blame for said problem.

The day Clinton left office we had 2.8 million illegal aliens. Some said 600,000 and some said 3.8 million but most points to roughly 2.8 million.

The lowest estimate you can find for right now is 11 million currently and most of the numbers point to 26-28 million illegal aliens. Some reports have the number over 40 million. That’s 1 out of every 7 people in this country is here illegally.

That's at least ten times more illegal aliens in America since Republicans have been in power.

Now they use the "fix" as the election issue.
…and then they get on TV and say silly stuff like……"Democrats want them to be able to go to the Hospital."

Guess what folks, it's a Geneva Convention law, it’s a human rights law as well as an American law and a humane (dare I say Christian) thing to do is allow foreigners medical attention if they need it.

I'm not saying that every illegal alien should be allowed to suck off of every American resource but emergency room laws will NEVER change under ANY President.

If any President tried to change those laws think of how quickly other nations would stop treating sick Americans traveling abroad and think of the global outcry from us stopping medical care of non US citizens.

Look at us…we are stuck debating an issue that is NOT an issue at all nor will it ever become an issue because of several different laws in place.

This is exactly the same as our ‘debate” on Roe vs. Wade and how that law will never change even though a Political party keeps promising it (for over 30 years now)

They won't even bring up the true debate of immigration and instead they only want to focus on a tiny part of the huge issue so everyone is side tracked and some how blaming democrats for our broken borders.

I've heard right wingers say "the Democrats opened the borders so they could capture more voters in the elections." Think about how stupid that angle is and Fox News repeats this like the Gospel.

First of all illegal aliens can't vote.

Second of all Democrats had no power during the time of the massive immigration. The Republicans in Congress moved the money away from border security, moved the national guard away form the border and pushed American farther away from organized labor (a big helper in fighting illegal hiring) and Democrats couldn't do shit about it.

Third, and THIS is one that ever conservative and Republican should read……
 The only people trying to push for full amnesty laws (which means they’ll be American citizens and can vote) is John McCain and Bush.
They are sooooo in bed with the corporations that they are willing to lose their own party’s chances of winning elections forever.

Think about it……If 25 million illegal aliens could vote I guarantee you that 75% would vote for Democrats.

How can republicans win elections if faced with those numbers?

You hear Right wing talking heads on TV and radio every single day saying Democrats love illegal aliens because they get their vote.

OK then WHY are Republicans in Government all over America ok with the past 7 years of open borders from the south?
WHY are they pushing so hard for “amnesty?”